Shark #1:
My experiences have taught me that if you tip "the bill" or any multiple of "the bill" and were not engaged in some form of sexual activity you have over-tipped and the girl now thinks you're a "SUCKER" and will spread the word. Now every girl will want you to "over tip" her and will be resistant to letting you do anything sexual!!! Now there are just so many guys paying too much a lot [of] girls would rather sit half the night to wait for the "easy $$" to come in than to get her $$ the old fashioned way, EARN IT.... hah!!

Whether you know it or not some girls bad mouth guys like me when they are sitting and talking to you, but some girls also tell me how STUPID you guys are for giving them big $$ and not getting anything in return.

I don't recommend wearing expensive suits to the clubs. Many girls are so spoiled now that they will assume you are a sucker if you are wearing a suit and run that old "IT'S CUSTOMARY TO TIP THE BILL OR DOUBLE THE BILL" line on you, and of course she's a good girl so she doesn't do anything in the club but for $300 she can meet you on the outside...YEAH RIGHT!!! It's all about $$ be SMART be STRONG. If all these girls could get $300 as often as they pretend they wouldn't work the club scene.

To this day I still find it amazing how many girls do respond to "extreme talk.” I don't mislead or deceive the girls, I don't lie about my marital status nor do I promise them romance and commitment! I basically say I am a "bad boy" looking for the thrill of boinking "bad girls" in the club. When you think about it, is it really so unbelievable that some 20yr females that have grown up listening to hip-hop, gangster rap and rock & roll, all with explicit lyrics that demean women and glorify recreational sex and BAD BOYS may find this approach tantalizing.

TF:
As an associate of mine once put it, sometimes what works with these girls is to “talk s**t” to them. In order to be successful in the clubs you’ve got to “have some game,” as they say in basketball. This approach doesn’t work with all girls, of course.

Shark #2:
I realize that many of you come to the dance hall scene after having had extensive experience on the outcall, nudie bar, and massage parlor environment.   You feel that you are getting [a better deal] at the clubs than you got at these places. You are right, but you are probably still paying too much for the services that the girls are rendering. [Many of] these girls are collectively greedy, selfish, unappreciative twits. They interpret the patrons in a bipolar way.You are either a“shark” (tough consumer) or a “SUIT” (sucker). That's just the way it is.

Shark #3:
Know up front that I view the ladies and how to treat them differently from you. My view is the girls are sharkettes and are there to get the most money for doing the least. Many often say they don't when it is a fact they do. They will totally eat you alive if you let them. I have the reverse goal. The most I can get for the least I can pay.

The hot chicks brag to me all the time how they don't have to do anything EVER since they have x, y, z customer who tips them x amount of cash. I tell them "Not everyone is a fool and I am not them.”   It is truly a matter of calmly and politely but firmly pushing them to give you what you want or at least something to warrant keeping her clocked in. Just like in sales, answer the objection and always be "closing.” As in closing the deal.

I was once a nice guy and did well sometimes, ever since I became a Shark I'm a lot happier and my success is very high. There will always be some no action girls who you will have to clock back in but if you are firm, you will get what you want. I don't bat 1000%. Does anyone know of anyone that does? I highly doubt it unless they are always going for the ugly girls.

Even the supposedly nicest girls seem to surprise me on how nasty they are or really want to be. Yes, there are stuck up bitches that think they can sit and cuddle but they are still in an HC and getting paid for a really low level of sexual interaction. Translated: there are no NICE GIRLS in the club so don't be a NICE GUY. PROLONGED RAPPORT BUILDING IS USUALLY A LOW RETURN ON INVESTMENT DOLLAR. Everybody who goes to an HC looking for a female is basically the same as the next guy -- just different levels and approaches. End result is everyone pays a girl to try to get what they want whatever that may be.

TF:
Like one admitted “nice guy” told me, “I'm overly polite, sometimes to a fault.A lot of times that has gotten me further than a lot of other guys.Polite can be good, but if you make it clear to the girls what you want, they'll get the message.A lot of times, girls have told me that they don't usually do this, but since I'm a nice guy...yada yada yada.If not, move on.Being aggressive to the point of being forceful can backfire.  Learn to read her responses and act accordingly.”

Could you say more about your evolution from nice guy to shark? Did you do it on your own, and if so was there a particular turning point?

Shark #3:
I finally got tired of spending big money and getting nothing with some of the 8 plus girls. The turning point was when I was with a girl who I saw give a [manipulation] to another guy. She would not do anything with me. Gave me all the BS rap. I was pissed, I looked her straight in the eye and said, "Cut the BS, I just saw you give that guy a [manipulation], I know the game, I don't come here to chit chat. (As I take $40 out of my pocket and stand up) So, do you want to make money or shall I give you nothing and check you back in.”

She hesitated, and then said; "Sit back down" and we proceeded to have a good time. I said to myself, “hmmm this Shark stuff seems to work much better.” Since then when I'm nice they try to just chit chat, when I'm direct and aggressive, I seldom fail. It was not easy converting to being a shark but at least I rarely go home pissed off or frustrated now.

TF:
On this point, do you have any theories about why girls who put out will at first say they don't? I haven’t encountered it a lot but it happens every once in a while, and not with the garden-variety YMMV girls either but with girls who are known action girls.

Shark #3:
Even whores don't like to admit they are one. Some girls just try to see if they can get money without doing anything even though they have no problem with coming across with the goods. More importantly, "Nice Guys" bring out the "Nice" in even the baddest girls.

I never treat girls badly and never will. I do call them on their BS and if a girl has an attitude, then I'll give it right back. A customer has to have self-respect for himself. I do play hardball because they play hardball. Many girls appreciate this. You have to cut through the BS. Go back to CF and try to get some action from a really hot Playmate type and you will understand my position. I always look out for myself because the girls certainly do in greater numbers. IMHO there is a large imbalance of girls taking advantage of the guys much more than the guys getting free or below cost services. They can and do a very good job of looking out for themselves.

My whole point to all this, is these girls are pros, sure you can f**k some for free or become friends with some (I've done both), but for the most part they are just out to line their pockets with your money. Lastly, I'm sure you’ve heard many hard luck stories these girls have given you. Well, I checked out many of them and sure enough many (not all) were lies.

TF:
Do you have any tips on identifying and approaching other sharks? Like you, I would think most of them would tend to be lone operators and might be leery of sharing information with guys they don't know.

Shark #3:
The best way to observe sharks is to always be watching everything that is going on. When you are with a girl look at and observe who is doing what with whom around you. When you are standing around watch how guys approach girls and how they interact. It is not an exact science. I'm very good at reading behavior because I'm always studying people and behavior. When asking questions be very low key, pausing often. Don't interrogate anyone.

Shark #4:
Let me clear up what may be a slight misunderstanding regarding the NO HONEY=NO MONEY philosophy. This philosophy states that a customer should know the level of carnal delight he is seeking when he clocks in a hostess. If he doesn't achieve that level of delight then he shouldn't tip. However, when one is following this policy you don't settle for a lesser level of delight. So if I am seeking “A,” but I'm only offered “B” or “C” I would decline those offers. If I am unable to reach an agreement for my desired level of delight I then clock the hostess out and pay the bill. If I haven't received anything there is no reason to tip. It shouldn't take 30 minutes to determine this and the situation would have been politely and charmingly explained to the hostess...NO HONEY = NO MONEY. Grinding doesn't count because in this day and age that is par for the course, UNLESS grinding is the service that you are seeking that night. Of course, if you are seeking “A” and then settle for “B” or “C” instead you should tip for those services.

The theory of pay for service and not time also discourages girls from attempting to keep me on the clock for long periods without providing the service I desire, because NO HONEY=NO MONEY. So if hostess and client clock in and can't make a deal each lose out. Client still has to pay for clock time + drinks etc. (real cost) and the hostess could have possibly been able to make a deal with someone else during that time (opportunity cost). Each suffers a loss. We have a lose-lose situation (balance). However, if clients feel that they should tip according to time, then the hostess is compensated for her time and she becomes the beneficiary of a win-win situation. If she makes a deal she wins. If she doesn't make a deal she wins.

Editorial comment:
Many of you reading this may not feel inclined to play the no honey, no money game. Even if you do, most of you won’t be ready to. It takes a certain attitude to play the shark game, indeed, to be successful in the clubs; and that attitude is not developed overnight.